(This is not Spam. I am a real person seeking real help. If you need to be unsubscribed from my plea, then please just reply to this email (torsten@nenzen.net) and request to be unsubscribed and I will promptly remove your address. Thanks.)
Hawaii Churches with pseudo-Christian Pastors
Dear Pastors and ministry leaders,
My name is Torsten. I am a never-married Christian single man who needs opportunities to meet, communicate and connect with other Christian singles within a church context. I hope to identify churches in Hawaii that will inform me of, and invite me to, connective church groups where Christian singles may attend.
I am seeking practical information (and an invitation) to when/where there are opportunities for single Christians to meet each other, such as in Singles Ministry groups, College & Career church groups, Young Adults church groups, University Ministry groups, church social gatherings, church sports gatherings etc.
· What Christian connective social activities may I attend within your church? Is there an online link to a schedule of appropriate events within your church? Is it possible to subscribe to updates of suitable events in your church?
· Are there occasions to meet and make friends with Christian singles in your church?
During the 2˝ months prior to my first visit to Hawaii in December 2010, when I weekly sought to connect with local “Christian” churches all across the State of Hawaii, not one single church in Hawaii welcomed me. During the five weeks that I visited Oahu in December and January 2011, I pleaded daily for informational assistance with most churches within the State of Hawaii; all Calvary Chapel churches in Hawaii, all New Hope churches in Hawaii, all Baptist churches on Oahu, and many other churches from various denominations on the Hawaii islands. None of the “Christian” churches in Hawaii responded helpfully then. Also, prior to this second Hawaii visit now, none of the pastors/priests in Hawaii expressed willingness to obey Christ when I pleaded with the Hawaii churches. All pastors and priests in the church offices of Hawaii have continually proven, so far, to be nothing more than uncompassionate and diabolic pastards.
My primary purpose for visiting Hawaii also now, is to connect with other Christian singles in churches. Will you assist as a Christian should?
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzén
Current location: Waikiki
Mobile: +46 707 777754 (text messages only)
Email: torsten@nenzen.net
Skype: blessisrael
Personal website: www.nenzen.net
Hawaii pastors’ website: http://hawaii.kyrkor.be
Swedish pastors’ website: http://www.kyrkor.be/Inhumane_Swedish_Pastors.pdf
Several pastors/priests in Hawaii have responded with inhumanity, almost on a par with the Swedish evil pastors/priests. The remaining pastors/priests in Hawaii have chosen to not respond at all, and hence the non-responding pastors in Hawaii have neglected the Biblical mandate given to followers of Jesus Christ; compassion towards brothers/sisters in Christ who have Scriptural needs. All Calvary Chapel churches in Hawaii, all New Hope churches in Hawaii, all Baptist churches in Hawaii, and many churches of other denominations have received a similar letter to this letter; a letter which merely requests invitational and helpful information about when & where of possible meetings for Christian singles. Arguably, the pastors within the State of Hawaii are evidence to institutionalised pseudo-Christianity.
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St. Michael and All Angels Episcopal Church
Fr Bill Miller <fatherbill@stmichaels-kauai.org>
From: Fr Bill Miller
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 1:41 PM
Please remove me from your email list. Mahalo!
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International Baptist Church Honolulu, Hawaii
Dennis Mendoza <pastordennis@internationalchurch.us>
From: Dennis Mendoza
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:44 PM
Aloha Torsten,
Please remove my address from your email list. I request to be unsubscribed.
Pastor Dennis Mendoza
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Hawaii Kai Church
Aaron Dieringer <adieringer@hawaiikaichurch.org> info@hawaiikaichurch.org
From: Aaron Dieringer
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 2:28 PM
Torsten,
please unsubscribe the following email address from your Hawaii
churches emails:
adieringer@hawaiikaichurch.org.
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pastorart@wolhawaii.com
From: Raj Devkaran
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:23 PM
Thank you Sir for your understanding, I choose to be removed from your emailing list. Thank you.
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Raj Devkaran
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:11 PM
Subject: response
Dear Raj Devkaran,
As long as I continue to be single and remain innocently excommunicated from the Swedish churches and their diabolic Swedish society, and as long as no pastor/priest in the State of Hawaii wants to help as God prescribes in His Word, and as long as I am in Hawaii or have a continued interest in serving God and people in Hawaii, I shall pursue connection with church-people in Hawaii.
If you do not want to receive another reminding email plea from me, then you merely need to communicate this to me, and your email address will then be removed.
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzen
Raj Devkaran <rdevkaran@wolhawaii.com>
From: Raj Devkaran
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:28 PM
Could you please let me know how many more times, you will be forwarding us this same email? P. Raj Devkaran, Assistant Pastor
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From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Pastor Gary
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:54 PM
Subject: response
Dear Gary Langley,
From your letter I can only deduce that you are somewhat of an imbecile. Any below average intelligent person understands the purpose of desire to connect with other Christian singles. Only diabolic pastorss cannot understand.
Unlike pastards like you, I will not expose in photographs other people that I care about. I choose to protect people that I care about. That is one of the two reasons why I deliberately have chosen to not partake in the forum Facebook. It is of no business to people as you with whom I communicate with or who I socialise with. That is also why you will find that I publish no photographs of others. But in regards to myself I am exceptionally transparent, since I have nothing to hide. Truth withstands scrutiny.
And also, in regards to my inquiry about information about opportunities to fellowship and connect with other single Christians, it is irrelevant who I am. I stated that I am a Christian.
Lastly, if it insults pastors in Hawaii by truthfully conveying to the general public about the diabolic nature of Hawaii pastors, then that is OK. After 100 letters to Hawaii pastards such as yourself without repentance, I don’t expect pastards such as you to repent now either. If you do repent of your sin of omission and thereby decide to be a helpful Christian, then much is gained. But I don’t expect it. Regardless of repentance or not from Hawaii pastors, there is a benefit in dissemination of truth about Hawaii pastors to the general public. Without pastoral repentance the public of Hawaii specifically and the global public generally should rightfully be warned about the true nature of institutionalised “Christianity”.
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzen
Gary Langley <gary@windwardworship.com>
From: Pastor Gary
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 2:01 PM
Aloha Torsten:
Let me give you some helpful information about Hawaii Churches and Pastors that might aid you in your quest. Hawaii, being geographically isolated is somewhat insular. Your message tells us little about you, and is mostly focused on your frustration with your reception. There are lots of photos of you alone online, but none that put you into the context of a family or community. So, can you understand why a pastor, a shepherd, responsible to protect his/her sheep, might be unwilling to be very open to an unknown "never-married Christian single man who needs opportunities to meet, communicate and connect with other Christian singles"?
We (pastors) don't know whether the intent is to meet women, participate in worship, attend Bible studies… what, exactly? The only thing mentioned is an interest in social activities.
In this letter you suggest that because no pastor was willing to trust a total stranger with an unstated agenda, we pastors were somehow less than Christian, and you insulted us with "All pastors and priests in the church offices of Hawaii have continually proven, so far, to be nothing more than uncompassionate and diabolic pastards." Perhaps a lesson in Hawaiian protocol is in order: insulting and demeaning people here to gain their trust and assistance is not a good idea, and is seldom effective.
What is the PURPOSE of your desire to connect? Friendship? Christian fellowship? You might try just showing up at one of the churches mentioned and looking at the announcements in the Bulletin, in which events are commonly listed.
Gary
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From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Raj Devkaran
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:24 PM
Hi Raj Devkaran!
Thanks for replying.
I am considering a second visit to Honolulu, and am trying to find informationally helpful assistance from Christian communities in Hawaii at that time; maybe from the first week of March until the first week of April (one month) 2011.
Regarding your suggested referral to online Christian dating, this suggestion is a grave evasion of responsibility to Christian discipleship. But on the topic, there are two major Christian singles internet sites and several minor ones:
http://www.christiancafe.com (my profile name = A777)
http://www.christianmingle.com
I have been active for almost a decade on Christian Café and other Christian singles sites. I assume that only those individuals who work professionally in administering these singles sites have more exposure and experience to Christian singles websites than I do. From my extensive experience, unfortunately, I need to conclude through my observations and assessments, that most Christian women on Christian singles sites adhere to one or both of these two categories: 1) women who are introverted/shy, 2) women who are physically disadvantaged in competing for men's natural interest. And because I have resided in Sweden (still only a Swedish passport), the responses to my invitational letters on those Christian sites are categorically in order of prevalence: 1) no reply 2) rejection due to an errantly imagined long-distance relationship. Because of my knowledge of how Christian internet-singles are and how they conduct themselves online, I need to meet people face-to-face in a real Christian church.
Most Christian churches, however, nurture superficial church cultures where honesty, vulnerability, transparency and accountability are sparse or non-existent. And to top that off, most church offices fail to recognise their hypocrisy at declaring valued importance of Christian families, but doing little or nothing to support never-married Christian singles with social opportunities to communicate and connect, in order to create Christian families from start.
I did attend the Word of Life church last month when I visited Honolulu for five weeks; reexperiencing then in your church the typical focus on personal-prosperity theology, and the typical tragicomic platform instructions toward the audience; "Turn to your neighbour and say ...". Tragic, because few components of a church service are as conducive to manipulation and steering people into superficial relationships, and reflectively comical from an enlightened/elucidated perspective of pastoral ignorance.
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzen
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Raj Devkaran <rdevkaran@wolhawaii.com>, <wolcc@wolhawaii.com>
From: Raj Devkaran
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:07 PM
Good Morning Torsten,
Please feel free to visit our church when ever you are on the islands. We will be glad to assist you with finding your fit. I heard of this great site Christian dating.com. Have you tried it? Have a blessed day.
P. Raj Devkaran, Assistant Pastor
From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Raj Devkaran
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:38 AM
Dear Raj Devkaran,
Thanks for your question.
I want:
"I seek a compassionate, helpful and pragmatic pastor/priest in Hawaii that will inform me of, and invite me to, connective church groups with Christian singles. Is there a real Christian pastor anywhere in Hawaii who will inform me of opportunities? What Christian connective social activities may I attend next time I visit Hawaii? Scheduled events? Small group events? Non-scheduled events? Informal meetings? Occasions to meet and make friends with Christian singles?"
Best regards,
Torsten
Raj Devkaran <rdevkaran@wolhawaii.com>
From: Raj Devkaran
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 1:12 AM
What is it that you want????
P. Raj Devkaran, Assistant Pastor
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From: Jay Miura
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 4:07 PM
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 3:30 PM
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From: torsten@nenzen.net
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:59 PM
Word of Life Christian Center in Honolulu,
You want no communication with me. And you write that you believe one of your assistant pastors has made contact with me, and that future communication can be made to him. Yes, only once has anyone from Word of Life Honolulu previously responded. Your assistant pastor Raj Devkaran responded on Jan.19 with this message “Can you please remove us from your mailing list.” In other words, your Word of Life “church” practices words of unmercifulness and words of deceit.
Regards,
Torsten Nenzen
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Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:37 PM
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From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: Alex Michel
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 12:13 AM
Please don't scribble predictably empty "church" phrases at me. You have no right to speak to any adult (20+) in that manner; "their pressing to seek God and grow in His ways is the quickest way to be realized to your spouse". In fact, you (and most "churches") evade Biblically accountable discipleship (requires relationship!) and the Christian community responsibility for forming Christian families. You devastate the body of Christ and society with your superficial "Christianity" as you only teach adult people to "believe God will bring".
Pray - seek - knock. Contextually:
Prayer in faith is the spiritual foundation for action. Seeking is interpersonal communication and Christian friendships. And knocking is a romantic relationship initiative.
You are destroying the body of Christ with your promotion of a superficial church culture.
Shame on you!
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<alexm@pacrim.edu>, <alexm@fusehawaii.com>
From: Alex Michel
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:34 PM
Torsten, We teach out people at Fuse that their pressing to seek God and grow in His ways is the quickest way to be realized to your spouse. God wants you married brother more than you do. My greatest encouragement to you is to not look and search for a singles ministry to find a spouse, but to believe God will bring her to you as you earnestly seek And serve Him. This is my opinion based on my experience. God bless you in your journey.
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From: David Gierlach1
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:03 PM
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Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:56 PM
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Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:46 PM
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From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: OlaNui! ; lazor@hawaii.rr.com
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:00 AM
Dear Baptist Pastor Rick Lazor of OlaNui,
Aloha! And thanks for your response. Yes, your two email addresses have now been removed. My reply to your comments and questions follows:
1) Yes, I am definitely interested in personal relationships and Christian community. My first step in that direction and towards that goal, at choosing to visit a church, is email communication. Any church that has chosen to represent itself on the internet with a website and that also has chosen to be contactable through an email address on their website, must also choose to act in a communicably responsible manner through responding to incoming emails. Likewise, it is irresponsible of churches that might list their telephone numbers in a telephone directory if they do not have an intention to answer incoming telephone calls. It is simply unethical of a church to invite communication through an email address but in reality neglects communication. A church leader who cannot understand the logic and ethics of communication is incompetent to understand people, and hence should not be holding the position of a pastor.
2) My letters to churches in Hawaii is not spam by the most common definition. It is not unsolicited because the churches have invited to church-relevant communication by publishing their email addresses. Neither is it commercial – it is personal and church-related. Also, the selected addresses are not indiscriminate; only church-related addresses are selected for this church-related letter. The heading in each letter provides information to opt-out. All opt-outs are respected. So please do not carelessly accuse me of spamming without an understanding of the most commonly applied technical and legal definition of spam. And the so called attraction-value of my letter is irrelevant in this case because my letter is respectful in tone, logical in content and Biblically motivated. Sinners (in this case church staffs in Hawaii who are sinning through omission) who refuse to repent will of course not appreciate my reminders.
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzen
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<ola_nui@yahoo.com> <lazor@hawaii.rr.com>
From: OlaNui!
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:25 AM
Aloha Mr. Nenzen;
I believe that perhaps there are two reasons that you are not receiving much a response from churches.
1) The kind of request you're making implies that you are interested in a personal relationship with others. Emails won't do that. Visit some churches personally and allow them to get to know you first.
2) The incessant emails (sometimes twice a day, over and over again w the same message) constitutes "spam" by most anyone's definition. Rather than attracting anyone to you and your situation, you push them away with this rather odd behavior.
And I might add, I have no idea who "one-unloving-Calvary-chapel-evil-pastor@glocalnet.de" is, nor do I think I should know who he is? Do you think I should? If you have some issue with anothe pastor, should you not take it up with that person and deal with your situation according to Matthew 18. Your disagreements with him have nothing to do with me or any of the others receiving these emails.
We have no singles group at our little church. So please remove me from your email list. I trust you will find the perfect person(s) to be with.
Aloha in the Lord.
Rick
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From: torsten@nenzen.net
To: John Chandler ; frjohn@newmanhawaii.org
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:53 PM
Dear John Chandler of The Newman Center Catholic Campus Ministry,
Thank-you for a friendly and generous response to my inquiry about when & where Christian singles may be meeting. I honestly like your rare and generous attitude towards other church denominations. Many other church denominational leaders are excessively narrow-minded through tradition, but you did what few other church-representatives would do; to recommend people to churches outside of the confines of chosen denominational identity. I may not share the values of the churches that were recommended, but I do like the pragmatic and helpful intention behind the person making the recommendations. Thanks John Chandler for a helpful attitude. Your helpful attitude is far better than most evangelical church staffs here in Hawaii.
Regarding recommendation to the Church of the Crossroads on University Avenue (http://www.churchofthecrossroadshawaii.org/NCI.html); this is a church which mission ambiguously focuses on the diverse definitions of the “common good” concept, and specifically expressed by this church as follows:
”Additionally, acknowledging the holiness of the earth, we will seek to serve the health and restoration of the aina itself. Through our service, by the grace of God, we will seek to enable the transformation God intends for all people and the life of mother earth herself. In our service, we will be guided by a nurturing spirit, the practice of hospitality and the goal of friendship. We will find ourselves being served as we in turn serve others and the needs of the earth. As we serve one another, in solidarity with those we meet through our serving, we will be led to examine and to work with others to change the social structures and policies that create human misery in the first place.”
”We will affirm the need to break down and transform the social structures of oppression as well as affirm the inner, personal transformation that must take place in the lives of individual human beings. In this mission of peace with justice, we affirm the need to break down and transform all those barriers that plague us as human beings and which fail to support the common good of all people: barriers of class, gender, ability, sexual orientation [Torsten’s comment: homosexuality is a sin and requires repentance!], race, age, religion, and other social and political inequities.”
A benefit for the Church of the Crossroads on University Avenue, however, is that this church actually does mention once in its visional and missional statements the name above all other names; Jesus Christ. It is at least nice to know that this church did not entirely exclude Jesus the Messiah from a part of its vision and mission. But I shall not be seeking a “Christian” single woman within that context.
Regarding recommendation to the Lutheran Church of Honolulu on Punahou Street (http://www.lchwelcome.org/life.html); this is a church which has chosen a practice of blessing animals. It is not necessarily bad to bless animals, but a “church” which endorses such practises as part of its church curricula can be interpreted as a church that may have lost its foundational bearing to Scriptural priorities. Surely, proclamation of salvation through Jesus Christ to all people/nations must be a priority. Similarly, blessing Israel is a Biblical priority. Also, provision of opportunities to meetings for Christian singles as a foundation to creation of Christian families ought to have a greater importance than blessing of animals. Therefore, also for this recommended church, I shall not be seeking a “Christian” single woman within this “church” context.
”Blessing of the Animals: Members and friends gathered on Sunday afternoon, October 3, for a blessing of their pets. They brought along their pets—many dogs, a rabbit, and some cat collars since the cats refused to come along—and hearts full of gratitude for the love and companionship of these special pets. The services was scheduled in connection with the remembrance of Francis of Assisi, renewer of the church who is commemorated on October 4. Among other stories, Francis is said to have preached to the birds, and his well-knows hymn “All creatures, worship God most high” calls on all creatures to bless the Lord. As part of the service, all the pets were blessed individually, and there were even refreshments for them all following worship.”
The Newman Center Catholic Campus Ministry in Manoa may enjoy viewing this particular episode of Real Catholic TV: http://www.realcatholictv.com/cia/02fake
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzen
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<frjohn@newmanhawaii.org> <ao1dew@yahoo.com>
From: John Chandler
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:41 AM
Greetings and Peace, Mr. Nenzen, --and Aloha. Although I am a Catholic priest, it seemed from your note that you had not had a reply from your first message. So I thought I'd suggest a couple of possibilities. The first that came to my mind is the "Church of the Crossroads" located off University Avenue near the University of Hawaii/Manoa. It has an excellent reputation for its faith, faith practice, social justice issues and a strong community both young and old. There is a Lutheran Church on Punahou St. that I know primarily because it is said to have a good choir. Also St. Andrew's Church (Episcopal) on Beretania St., in the downtown area which is widely known in the islands. The Congregationalists were the first Protestant community to arrive in the islands in 1827, I think. A large Congregational Church is located at the corner of Punahou and Beretania Sts. You might like to take a look at these to see if any of them respond to your search.
Sincerely,
John Chandler, s.j.
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Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:23 PM
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From: torsten@nenzen.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:12 PM
Dear Owen Nakao,
Thanks for your letter. By mistake, my letter with intended destination towards "churches" in Hawaii was also sent to you, as I had guessed that Tenriky Mission sounded like a Christian church name. My apology for the mix up.
Regarding the contents of your response, however, it contains errant assumptions. My scribed expectations to the "churches" in Hawaii are neither unrealistic nor ought to be regarded as unexpected. I am merely requesting cooperative information about time and place to meet other followers of Jesus Christ in a similar phase of life as unmarried. If the leaders of the “churches” in Hawaii were truly Christian, they would have responded with cooperative information. In reality, the leaders of “churches” in Hawaii are worse than the non-Christians. Non-Christian locals in Hawaii are friendly and welcoming in comparison to the leaders of the “churches”, and especially in comparison to diabolic Swedes.
In contrast to the “churches” in Hawaii, if I contact a non-Christian manager of a business in Hawaii with request to helpful information, they will normally bend over backwards to assist. Non-Christians in Hawaii appear to be more caring and serving than the church staffs of Hawaii. Yes, the church staffs of Hawaii do deserve a bad reputation – because they are bad. Church staffs are far from aligning to God’s will and His instruction in this matter.
Although you are not of the Christian faith yet, Owen Nakao, you are in deed actually better off than the pastors/priests of Hawaii that refuse communication with me. But in regards to your spiritual nature and consequential eternal destination, please do invite and unite with Jesus Christ the Messiah, God’s only Son, and receive His grace and everlasting love as described in the Bible. Although church staffs in Hawaii are wilfully sinful hypocrites (and they will be judged for this), more than anything else I advise you to know the source of all existence and goodness, the God of the universe – only through Jesus Christ.
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzen
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<onakao@tenrikyopearl.org>
From: Owen Nakao
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:31 AM
Dear Torsten,
I pray that you will find what you're looking for. But I think you're coming across very confrontational such that people are afraid to deal with you. I think you're going to find hipocrisy wherever you go as we are all human. So I would suppose you would expect that and try to find a church that comes close to meeting your expectations. Most pastors are really busy just ministering to their congregation. Perhaps an up and coming minister might take you up as a challenge, but they would probably have a smaller congregation that doesn't have a singles group.
I would recommend being less confrontational, more accepting and tolerant of other people's less than expected faith and compassion. This way you will learn and grow from meeting different people and overcoming different challenges. I'm not of the Christian faith, but some of my Christian friends go to Unity Church on Monsarratt which they say is non-denominational and more accepting of people of different backgrounds. With love and compassion, Owen Nakao
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Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 5:19 AM
Todd Morikawa,
Your email address has been removed. I know that God needs to do some work in your heart because the arrogant attitude that you have reflected in both your email responses is not from God. When you make public mistakes then you must acknowledge your mistakes. I wish you well, but I strongly urge you to change heart. All people have some degree of Biblical ignorance, but ignorance in combination with arrogance is dangerous. Biblical ignorance combined with arrogance among church leaders is very dangerous. You are currently a very dangerous pastor through this particular combination of traits.
We drove past the Kailua Baptist church yesterday afternoon.
Regards,
Torsten
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From: mail@kailuabaptist.org
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 3:24 AM
You are now wasting our time. If you want to repent of your pride and misunderstanding of biblical theology, and desire help in following Christ, I would love to talk with you. Come visit our church tomorrow at 10am. If not, please do stick to your word and promptly remove our address.
Prayerful,
Todd Morikawa
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From: torsten@nenzen.net
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 9:36 PM
Repentance necessary among some pastors in Hawaii
Dear Pastors and ministry leaders,
It is sad to read of such Biblical ignorance among pastors in Hawaii, and of the uncompassionate attitudes among pastors in Hawaii. Truly I tell you, you need to begin to understand sound Biblical theology, to repent from your lack of compassion, and to have an intimate relationship with the Holy Spirit so that you can hear God’s Spirit speak – and not mindlessly use Romans chapter 8 as applicable to those who choose to not REMAIN in Christ Jesus. All canonized New Testament texts repeatedly emphasize conversion (faith and repentance), sanctification (right conduct of life), and perseverance (remaining in Christ) as key processes of salvation for mankind. Consistently ignoring the parts of God’s word that stress man’s response to the prompting of the Holy Spirit skews God’s salvation plan for mankind; possibly to the degree of damnation (everlasting punishment). Theologically ignorant references only to God’s grace without inclusion of Jesus’s consistent call to repentance “Go and sin no more …” (John 8:11) has catastrophic results for not only the individual (vertical relationship) but also to the life of the Christian communities (horizontal relationships); often referred locally as the “church”. Depraving people the basic Gospel message of repentance, sanctification and perseverance and only presenting a partial Gospel message of regeneration (born again by God’s Spirit) and justification (right legal standing before God), devastates Christian fellowship and risks the final stage of salvation; glorification (receiving a resurrection body).
If you cannot hear the voice of God through the Holy Spirit, then please immediately stop your hypocritical nonsense! You may subsequently be leading people to hell through a false assurance of salvation. God’s grace is active along with our humbled, repentant and formative hearts to Jesus Christ.
As a basic introduction to those of the Hawaiian “pastors” (a true pastor is a shepherd that knows God’s will and His/their sheep) who have hardened hearts of mercilessness, and to those of the Hawaiian “pastors” that are as ignorant to basic evangelical and sound charismatic theology as the Swedish pastor-devils are, pleas read, devour, reflect upon, and be encouraged by these Bible verses:
James 2:13-20
Proverbs 3:27-28
Luke 10:25-37
Matthew 23:3
Luke 16:19-25
And please do not be a lazy “pastor”. Read those verses!
And to those Hawaiian “pastors” that share similar views as the Kailua Baptist “church” that stated “It is a lie from the enemy that you "need" to connect with singles.”, just read one verse and repent.
(1 Cor 7:9) But if they have not continency, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
What connective social activities may I attend while I am here in Hawaii? Scheduled events? Small group events? Non-scheduled events? Informal meetings? Occasions to meet and make friends with Christian singles?
Is there a real Christian pastor in Hawaii?
Best regards,
Torsten Nenzén
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From: mail@kailuabaptist.org
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 5:45 PM
To Torsten Nenzen,
Your email does not make you sound like you have a real grasp on the gospel. My actual first encouragement to you is to read Romans 8. Then go to one of the churches that the other gentleman suggested and ask someone there to help you in your walk with Jesus. It does not sound like you have true forgiveness in your heart, an understanding of how to suffer like Christ, or an understanding of what the church is. It is a lie from the enemy that you "need" to connect with singles. You "need" Christ, and him crucified. And you need to know what true kingdom advancement is all about.
For the King
Todd Morikawa
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From: torsten@nenzen.net
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 9:34 AM
Hi Patrick Underwood, and all other Baptist pastors on Oahu.
Thanks for a nice letter. Informationally, what are the times and locations of meetings where there is a possibility that unmarried people could be attending the Mililani Baptist Church?
And to all other Baptist pastors and churches on this email list I ask a similar question: What are the times and locations for Young Adults, College & Careers, and Single Christians in each respective church? I need to make every day an opportunity by making myself available among Christians.
Perhaps a couple of points need to be emphasized and clarified: 1) I am an evangelical and charismatic Christian. 2) I have never been married or co-habited. 3) My primary purpose in visiting Hawaii is to connect with Christian singles. 4) I am in Hawaii until at least the 17th of January. 5) I have absolutely no interest in connecting with other Scandinavians or Swedes. I want to connect with the friendly Hawaiian locals.
Your recommendation to visit the International Baptist Church by argument that this church is frequented by an international crowd absolutely falls outside of my interest, since I do not desire to meet decadent or unfriendly Europeans. Having street evangelised in Sweden the past eleven years I know perfectly well how Europeans are, and therefore it is impossible for me to want to marry a Scandinavian "Christian". I have observed and interacted with non-Christian locals in Hawaii, and from my observations and interactons I assess that Hawaiian locals are culturally a diametrically opposite of the unfriendly, inhumane and morally perverted Swedes. I presume that none of you Baptist pastors have read the background information in the provided link of my previous letters yet (http://www.kyrkor.be/Inhumane_Swedish_Pastors.pdf), otherwise you ought to have been in pragmatic communication with me by now as true followers of Jesus Christ. Because I am in effect excommunicated from all "churches" in Sweden without any given reason by the excommunicating Swedish Pentecostal denomination, and also because it is in essence impossible for me to want to marry a Swedish woman, I need to connect with friendly Christians elsewhere. People I have spoken with have confirmed my impressions about born locals in Hawaii; that local people on Hawaii are exceptionally friendly. I want to connect with local Hawaiian people.
If you as a Baptist pastor walked by a mistreated and perhaps dying individual lying on the streets of Oahu, would you scurry past them quickly to avoid involvement, or would you be campssionate as a Samaritan? I ask because I am figuratively in a very similar situation, although I do not show visible marks from the Swedish churche's mistreatment and evils against me. If you as a pastor also are a follower of Jesus Christ, then you will want to accommodate for my need to connect with single Christians.
My time here in Hawaii is short. Please don't waste my time by having me sit in the hotel room and wait for a month for a "church" to invite me. Please don't waste my life into complete ruin and misery. Remember, that you are accountable to God for every sin of omission. And by omitting to help me when you can, you are sinning.
Regards,
Torsten Nenzén
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<patrickunderwood@msn.com>
From: patrick underwood
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 2:27 AM
Good
Afternoon,
Regretfully, our church doesn't have much going on right now, aside from
Christmas eve and regularly scheduled Sunday morning activities.
We won't start discipleship
classes starting until the 9th of January. We are also taking a break from
all activities on week days as well. I don't personally work with "singles"
nor do we have an extremely active group in our church. Our church is made up
primarily of couples, families and senior adults.
Our location, geographically speaking, is quite a distance in comparison to
how many other churches there are in between. I don't know what other
churches have going on, but it'd be best to look on the internet or call to
get specific information. I honestly don't know of any "big" singles groups,
but we do have churches with good Christ-followers.
Personally, I'd start with a geographic search and find churches starting with
your proximity. If you're in Waikiki, you could go to Olivet Baptist Church,
Waialae Baptist, Ola Nui, Pawa'a Community Church or the International Baptist
Fellowship. I'd start with International because they have people from all
over the world and maybe even from your area. Between all of those churches
you might be able to find things going on during the week. I personally know
these pastors to be grounded, theologically sound men.
If you want to make the journey, you're welcome to come visit with us.
Peace in Christ,
Patrick Underwood
94-293 ANANIA DR.
MILILANI, HI 96789
808.623.2559
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<PastorBryan@WaianaeBaptist.org>
From: Pastor Bryan Wittekind
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 3:33 AM
Aloha Torsten,
I do not appreciate the bullying spirit of your past or current request. I respectfully ask you to remove my e-mail address, pastorbryan@Waianaebaptist.org, from your future mail outs. I pray that you and the Lord are able to work things out, but at this time I don’t believe He is specifically leading me to be of assistance to you in this matter.
I do not need a reply, just respectfully do as I have asked.
Sincerely and Mahalo,
Bryan Wittekind, Pastor
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<cccooffice@hawaiiantel.net>
From: Calvary Chapel Central Oahu
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 2:30 AM
Stop sending!
Ho`opomaika`i,
matt-e
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